The real reason to watercool a camera.

פורסם בתאריך 25 נוב 2020
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The Canon EOS R5 has some serious overheating issues... let's fix it!
Here's the R5 in question: amzn.to/39w5PAT (yes, it was a bit nerve-racking opening such an expensive camera!)
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  • Quick update! I've been doing more testing and if the camera is in single point autofocus (or manual focus) instead of face/animal AF it DOES NOT OVERHEAT at all with this mod. Still have to do more tests to verify but it's great news!

    • I would add a really small fan in the wall of the camera where the screen goes. Like cut a hole in it.

    • @Larry Vaughn I do not know. Sometimes you can snatch a few used parts of a broken camera online though

    • @Aaron "...it DOES NOT OVERHEAT at all with this mod."

    • @Almantas Vilbikas "...it DOES NOT OVERHEAT at all with this mod."

    • @Martin Can the camera back be purchased as a spare part?

  • This is ILaward at its best. I loved this video! Turning a r5 into a c70 style body is just brilliant. Great video 🤘🏼

    • @Avinav Chalise who cares? That’s moronic to point out and to treat as something of great value. A lot of people find that number abhorrent and thus the use to be reprehensible.

    • He isn’t incorrect in saying “this is ILaward at its best” due to it being the platform itself and not the management running the platform. He’s speaking to the idea of what it was meant for. Management is very separate from this, but they can make it better or worse. Although, he isn’t correct in saying “Turning ‘a’ r5 into a c70...” as you should change the word from “a” to “an” which gives it “an r5”.

    • @Frank Luo Hell no, c79 is better camera for video work.

    • 666 likes

  • he literally gave a whole business plan for a startup that can emerge just for the people who buy camera accessories

    • @Meh Do people actually buy the original accessories? I thought most just bought other brands which are either cheaper or better. Except for the chestmount maybe. Gopro nailed the Chesty.

    • Basically Go Pro way of making money?

  • DIY Perks: I water-cooled my camera... LinusTechTips: We'll watch your career with great interest

  • Not gonna lie, I would have sold this as a kit myself.

    • @Tissaye installing it is as easy as assembling a pc, the hard part is fabricating the plate itself if you don't have the tools/skills

    • Why I don't want someone use my photos free :p If anybody have enough interested, just do it. I wouldnt take cam if it's literally boiling when shooting. It's not ww1 machine gun with barrel tank of water.

    • You've to pay Matt/DIYPerks royalty for selling his mods just as you wouldn't want anyone using your photos commercially for free.

    • @Jungle Visions Buy a CNC router and just have it make the entire bottom frame of the attachment as a machined copper heatsink.

    • Is this not already resolved? Hasn't Canon already released a less heat intensive one?

  • That confidence to open up and modify a 4500€ camera.

    • His design is incredible as always but I think opening up this thing is not really that terrifying. Once you did it a couple of times you kinda know what to look for in these compact electronic devices and become fairly confident, at least that's the case for me. I would have never come up with his cooling solution though!

    • @Nor Dic House 'modifications' generally don't run the risk of destroying the entire house.

    • Lol he has $$$$$$ to burn. With over 2 mill subs, its safe to say he can afford it. Also what makes this channel even more exciting; allowing professional and beyond results to average / above average products.

    • @Henri-fillip BAUER did i say I'm scared?

    • @TheOrisya I never fear either why would you ?

  • As an old EE and product designer, I commend you on this project! Your step-by-step diagnosis approach AND implementation was spot-on. Bravo!

  • My guy is just casually taking apart a $4,000 camera! 😂

    • @Rakesh Sahani ltt

    • @Richey Rich yep

    • @Rakesh Sahani that was linus, yeah?

    • yeah and i thought taking apart the ps5 was crazy lmao.

    • @hailgod a typo, It was a red 8k. i didn't even notice it but i will leave it there as a testament to my absent-mindedness.

  • Market segmentation that's why, they don't want this competing with their dedicated video cameras. Canon has a history of crippling products for this exact reason.

    • But if heat was way to escape and more metal moving it, it's just 50-60% to get out case temp to 50. ;)

    • @Randarr The Barbarian Yes, I am aware how wafers are cut, but they're cut in a regular grid, you don't cut a piece out of the middle, which is the part I'm not sure would be possible. _When_ i3s are physically different dies (which has often not been the case for some time after Intel switched to a new node before they got the yields up), it's because the die was _designed_ with fewer features, not because they made a full i7 die and then cut half of it off. Even if they ever got into some weird situation when they had to use fully functional i7 dies to meet sudden demand for i3s or something, they wouldn't be cutting off pieces of the dies because not only do they not need to do it (because they can reliably disable features with fuses), but the extra silicon will help spread the heat out. Even if the operation had 100% yield (which, unlike blowing a fuse, it wouldn't), it would still not make sense because you'd be using a big, complex, _expensive_ machine to do it versus… blowing a fuse with a cheap programmer.

    • @hellterminator Well that would depend on the exact time and architecture. Sometimes the connections are simply severed but YES they can be physically removed my man, in the same ways we remove the dies themselves from a full wafer, primarily laser cutting. It's not like the cores are the only thing that gets removed or severed though, like we don't just notch out a core or 2, some of the supporting architecture goes along with it, cache, scheduler, for the particularly low end chips bits of the memory controller. An i3 is physically smaller than an i7 and that's not for no reason, yes stuff gets cut off.

    • @Randarr The Barbarian Are you implying they're physically removing cores? Because they absolutely do not do that. With how fragile the dies are, I don't think it would even be possible. The cores are just disabled, but it's not bits in some flash memory that could be reprogrammed, it's eFuses. You just run a high current through a particularly weak trace in the chip, the atoms migrate, breaking the trace and the fuse is “blown.” Irreversible, but very simple, cheap and safe.

    • @PSYCHO this is an unwinable battle. Your garanteed too loose! In all seriousness, policing grammar doesn't help anyone.

  • this guy smiles so much he makes anti-depression pills obsolete.

    • Yeh, smile others problems and your own gone too.

    • @Nathan Lewis yea

    • Puppies and kittens also makes anti-depressants obsolete

    • Damn, spreading positivity really is possible, which means I gotta take accountability for being absorbed in my own problems dammit

    • Dude I was wondering why I was feeling good this morning! I watched his mic and speaker videos last night.

  • "This morning when I went into the studio I noticed that the lights flickered a bit, so I had my tea and then drove down the road to the local power station, where I rebuilt their nuclear reactor to better manage its power output. Then back home for lunch, and no annoying flicker!"

    • He could’ve easily saved Chernobyl

    • @FuzOnAcid the April Fool's Day episode everyone needs in 2021. Recorded in continuous 8K!

    • he should do an episode using this story line as his script.

    • I hate when this happens. #relatable

    • That actually sounds like Matt!

  • What a great mod. Even without the water you basically unbroke the camera. 40 min is perfectly usable in most use cases. I can't believe the pad contact they used, good on you for revealing poor manufacturing and software implementations on an otherwise good looking product. Hopefully this drives companies to fix such simple things like better engineering in crucial areas on launch.

  • Extremely impressed at the quality of the final soliton - basically looks like stock, and the heat sink attachment is OP

  • A little surprised the image sensor isn't also a major part of the overheating issue. I wonder if this solution would also reduce image noise in very long exposure images.

  • 13:18 The power board is really a case were a thermal pad is probably better than compound. It can give you a much more even mounting pressure across multiple chips and even the PCB than compound. Even mounting pressure aids heat transfer considerably.

  • Imagine successfully water cooling an 8k camera and not leaving it in pieces for several months.

  • 2020: *Watercools camera* 2055: *Watercools the sun*

    • Ltt

    • @Knowbody Fusion stops at iron, that's why it's so plentiful in the universe. Though IIRC the most sun can do is oxygen.

    • @野龍 Water is made of hydrogen and oxygen. Both relatively light molecules that will undergo fusion with an exothermic reaction. Fusion stops being exothermic with heavier elements, I think starting from lead.

    • @comment account well nobody can win

    • I think there's an XKCD article talking about if you spray water into the sun, it adds mass to it and makes the fusion reaction even stronger. You can't water-cool the sun, only water-power it.

  • I got into astrophotography. They build thermal peltier coolers on the camera. Cools the sensor down to - so takes out a lot of noise from the images. Dedicated Astro cams have them built in. Always shooting -10/15 but 5 to 10 minute exposure’s and a lot of them over days and weeks.

  • WOW, just WOW... What you have been doing on this channel has been a huge inspiration for me (the invisible PC, improved camera...). You are amazing, keep up the GREAT work!

  • This is brilliant. I was able to use a similar concept to get amazing performance out of home theater amplifiers by adding active cooling. Many of these cheap amplifiers are absolutely fantastic but highly limited thermally.

  • Linus: We water cooled a RED for giggles. DIY Perks: We water cooled a canon mirrorless so it wouldn't start on fire.

  • @DIY Perks: You should know that encoding a (nearly) static black frame is less taxing than a movement-rich real scene. So far for your "black background overheating test", although it was perfect for the firmware/benchmarking the cooling

  • For the price point it’s amazing but I hope in the future cameras come with water blocks and internal cooling as this heat problem is just going to get worse over time as more powerful technology arrives, great video as always

  • Hey Matt! Great stuff, you did there! If only a constant flow of air is enough to hold the camera in a thermal equilibrium low enough to run indefinetly, why didnt you just dremel a hole above the copper plate and replaced the lost plastic with area-increased copper (like from a waterblock)

  • I'm seriously impressed with this mod. Both the basic engineering skills to extract the heat from the processors, but also the elegantly designed fan module. I am saddened to see the poor thermal management as delivered by Canon. Putting the power board directly on top of the processors is non-optimal. The poor thermal ejection characteristics are less than ideal. I am impressed that just inserting the copper pieces provided such a significant difference.

  • So... a 10 cent piece of copper and some proper thermal paste fixes 98% of the overheating issue?!?! Can't believe Canon screwed that up. Adding this type of active cooling to a battery grip would be so easy for them to do, and like you said, sell it for $400. You should patent that piece of copper and sell it as a kit for all R5 users. I'd buy one.

    • @Eric Swenson You can still make camera Weatherproof and make camera that stay under temperature, sony new lineup is great example. Plus canon is not known for making perfectly crafted machine.

    • @Epic Rhino Films no the firmware doesn't fix the actual overheating. you literally didn't watch the video at all because he explains it. the overheating isn't a rumor it's real, the firmware disables the shutdown timer, so it basically just ignores the safety protocols when the camera overheats for a few minutes longer than what the timer would have done

    • @Ben Chung also yes just the plate by itself was something I was thinking about. And I'd also see if aluminum could be substituted, also I remembered copper is soft, people buy copper pipes and hammer it to make buss bars. maybe you could try hammering the 2mm to make it thinner. If I had this camera I'd try to do it, but I'm learning photoshop on youtube, waiting for summer so I can finish painting my van

    • @Ben Chung well I meant using an external battery in place of the original battery, so the battery compartment is emtpy with 2 wires coming out it's door. however as far as powering the fan you could do it the way the video shows or buy an external battery for this camera, an aftermarket powerbank, it charges the r5 through it's usb-C port. here's more info www.canonrumors.com/forum/threads/eos-r5-external-charging.39174/

    • @eksine haha I don’t know about that.. I’d have to successfully do I myself first. I’m going to try it before the end of this month. Just trying to figure out how I want to tackle the project. Honestly, I’m willing to bet 99% of people would be happy with just the heat sink replacement itself. That alone allows you to record 30 minutes without interruption, and after a 5 minute wait, you can record another 30 min. The heat sink with the fan attached to the back actually seems like the easy part. I have a few old/dead laptops so getting a fan out of one of them shouldn’t be a problem. I thought about the 18650 battery route as well to power the small fan, but I’m wondering if I could just get a mini portable charger(Anker makes one that only weighs 85g) and just require the laptop fan to be compatible through a USB-A port . So many ways to tackle this... whether I want to try and make this a service to provide or just a hobby, it’ll be fun!

  • This is such a brilliant channel. Matt is a legit genius and so humble! Great work and video as always!

  • Excellent as always! This camera seems might be a great candidate to make a larger shoulder rig camcorder. Would be awesome to be able to get a broadcast camera lens as well with the shoulder mount or even better like a backpack or even more stable gimbal rig. Thanks for sharing!

  • I really love that 3D Printed fan casing, thats so good designed. You still have to open the camera which is sometimes scary for some people. Could you also realese a model for the copper parts?

  • It's a shame for a almost 5k euros that this issue is just overlooked other than the build in safety, shame on you CANON ! Now pay respects to this man!

    • It's not overlooked. It's mitigated. Panasonic cameras in this class will shutdown after 30 or so minutes of runtime. The max operating ambient temp is 104F, reducing that 30min significantly if filming the likes of Arizona in the summer heat.

  • Who would win? A whole orchestra of Canon engineers (bottlenecked by the corporate team trying to separate their mirrorless line from cinema line) or one British boi making ILaward videos?

    • Canon is probably aware. In fact, their thermal pads doesn't even completely covered the processor. I think they have done that on purpose so the camera would over heat in the 20 minute mark. If they completely cover the processor with thermal pad, the camera would record for 30 minutes and then that would be bad for their market segmentation.

    • British boi with a shed

    • Cough, cough, cartels!

    • @Steve "Best AF" is debatable.

  • a problem that the manufacture should be solving, either by creating\using more power efficient processing chip or by improving the heat spreading, possibly combining the two methods.

  • Another fantastic video. Some really out of the box thinking. Does make me wonder why Canon is happy to release a product that is inferior with their R&D budget when such an easy (for them) fix could be possible. Makes me wonder what the ratio of stills-photographers to videographers buy these cameras, and I suspect there are far more of the latter than the manufacturers realise. The overheating issue isn't limited to the Canon either. All but the very latest Sony APS-C cameras suffer with this although I don't think there's enough room inside them to add an improvised heatsink.

  • you know it's kind of sad that instead of dumping thousands of dollars into developing a heat sink, this dude just went "let's put some copper in it" and nearly fixed the issue immediately, yet Canon can't fix the issue as easily

  • Absolutely brilliant ! I thought about making a thin waterblock with 2 copper plates and water going through it, but it needs to circulate outside the camera, hence through holes to be made. Anyway, congratulations !!!

  • Canon engineers: "Write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN"

    • :)

    • @Nor Dic Yes most of them do, blackmagic still has the better image quality.

    • Lol

    • Write it down, wait for the next generation 5 years later. That is the canon way 🤦

    • Canon management: "Shoot him... or something!"

  • Never cease to amaze us with your creativity. Brilliant work mate!

  • Excellent work. Also I think well designed tripods could work well as a passive heatsink for mounted camera.

  • That was amazing ! Would be interesting to know if that external addon alone would be enough to extend recording time without the internal plate.

  • Your an inspiration for being able to put that camera back together. Cameras are the worst to mod, because they have like 60 screws and probably 15 different types of screws. Then there's the layers of tap wire and brackets. Nice work.

  • Leave it to a ILawardr to solve a problem a billion-dollar company dropped the ball on. Cannon Should be ashamed.

    • Well he's an engineer

    • @thegodtroynaar yeah, and probably lower them too.

    • what u mean leave it to youtuber who will use camera with water storage i backpack to keep it cool

    • Canon needs a reason to sell their cinema cameras…

    • just the fact that the thermal pads are in such horrible positions shows how much care they really put in

  • I’m really liking the channel, you do stuff that isn’t a exactly how I would but I realize that, that’s okay because DIY projects are usually about creativity.

  • I think the external heatsink add on was the more elegant solution 😅 But that is just my opinion 😁 Great video as always 👌

  • Love how you added the link to the 3D print files like any of us have the guts to open such an expensive camera. Great work and great video as always

    • I do. But I pity the fool that hasn't worked on micro electronics or watches, and attempts this.

  • I hope you got a yearly bonus from Canon for this, you definitely deserved it!

  • very clever. Scares the crap out of me. I worry if my battery door pops off! :)

    • @DIY Perks Hi, at 13:12 did you forgot to put the thermal paste on the copper connection points to the camera's body (where the heatsink screws down)? Thanks! 🙂👍🏻

    • @jay Yeah, unfortunately the logistics / resources needed to do that are most likely too expensive for Canon. I would personally like them to add this improved passive cooling to their production line immediately and provide a $100-150 service (to only cover the expenses) to get it added for existing owners - if they like to. This would be a win win situation, but because many owners would get angry for needing to pay for it, we will most likely not get this improvement at all 😟. Though this could become available through third party modification.

    • @jay that’s a LOT of cameras though.

    • If only canon recalls and installs this on r5 and r6, instead of waiting for a7iv many will swift to Canon

    • @DIY Perks How about using thinner copper strips or a vapor chamber to help to conduct/spread the heat to the camera's metal chassis? Great video! Your copper plate design is really neat 😃!

  • This was a pleasure to watch. 3D printing truly is a game changer.

  • Whoever invents a compact and efficient cooling system will be a god amongst tech world. Imagine something like a small flat battery capable of cooling down 90c to 50c.

  • My mind has officially blown away! He fixed what a billion dollar company couldn’t fix

  • Amazing build. I know my Sony a7r3 gets super hot with the battery in the compartment and there are aftermarket extenders to put the battery external. I wonder if this could help eliminate internal heat in conjunction with this awesome solution

  • This guy is an international treasure . We need to protect him at all cost ...

    • It's not like people are trying to attack him in the first place. Besides I'm sure he's fully equipt with biotech

    • carefully, hes a hero

    • We are going to make him a godfather.. welcome to the family

    • I love him so much, so generous and so intelligent!

  • I've got a question: would be it possible to dissipate heat through the thread for the mount screw underneath the camera?

  • it would be great if you could do a similar version of this for the 16" macbook pro, it's such a powerful machine but gets really hot i've often wondered if the back panel could be removed and a 'spacer or sandwich' section added to add better cooling perhaps even with an external water cooling solution such as this...

  • The "direct the heat towards the tripod mount"-idea is amazing. If only...

  • Canon has professional video cameras so they aren't financially incentivized to make the video recording capabilities of cheaper camera too good.

  • Canon Executive-- "Matt Perks was able to fix this in a basement!! With a bunch of scraps!!" Canon Engineer-- "I'm sorry... I'm not Matt Perks..."

    • That Canon Engineer will soon revolt against Canon company.

    • changed name

    • @PSYCHO Save yourself from headaches and go with Sony.

    • @cothfi What device do you recommend between Sony and Canon for someone who wants to record 4K 120fps videos often??? The Sony A7S iii or something else???

    • Hey I get the reference

  • Mission accomplished, I bet canon learned a few things here, great to have a real engineer for the people doing things like this. That will be a good side hustle to make that 3rd party piece. Cheers mate.

  • Thanks for the video. Canon should be paying you and update their camera with your design. As always another great video.

  • This channel is a amazing. Just went from diy LED mushrooms made from silicon caulk to water cooling an 8K video camera.

  • Fascinating piece. Love the ideas you come up with. Keep up the great work and look forward to more!

  • Awesome, the overheating issues where the reason I didn't buy it. You should totally sell a mod kit.

    • I went to buy one but seeing the overheating i went with a panasonic s1h

    • @Jennifer Nykanen yeah i know that's why i said its legal cause we have a law that says you are aloud to repair

    • @Max Ortega Not sure where you are in the world but here in the US there's an entire right to repair movement because companies have been suing people for repairing their electronics and even farm equipment. They are actively using copyright law to go after consumers that chose to repair instead of replace.

    • If you have access to a 3d printer and manual press, you can actually make a stamp for the copper. just take your time when drilling holes/filing.

    • Hi HughyDo

  • Absolutely amazing what you can do. I love your videos and your creations.

  • I would be inclined to make a cutout in the back chassis to expose the copper directly. Would look pretty cool

  • What an amazing video!

  • Canon need to hire matt to help design their cameras. He’s improved the camera by a tonne with just a piece of copper and some thermal pads…

  • 2:57 why are you bothering to use a heat gun? you could just turn it on and wait a few minutes!

    • Software limitation would stop it getting too hot to melt...

    • lmfao haha

    • lmao

    • no because the camera doesn't really get that hot haha, its just software stupid limitation

    • @Lillie lol

  • Another suggestion. You could use external battery solution. That’s a easy fix and often cools cameras a little. (Batteries under constant draw heat up a bit with nowhere for that heat to go, it can only make the primary heat source situation even worse.)

  • I've been watching a lot of your videos, I like them since they go into further detail than LinusTechTips and have videos like LTT. I love them, great content.

  • They could have spent an extra 10 minutes designing the cooling on this and overheating would be a non issue

  • THIS IS GREAT! But my only gripe is, does the fan interfere with the microphone?

  • OMG. An entire global camera company cripples their product and you’re all, “Nah, that won’t do”. I would expect this to be featured by EOSHD soon.

    • @myopinion2day With the LUMIX S5, the recording is time-limited to 30 minutes. The reason behind this is the potential failure in certain temperatures. Panasonic did not want the camera to overheat in hot environments, so they employed the time recording limit.

    • @Amariucai Silviu what about the placement of the thermal pads on the CPU, or not on the CPU, would a better description, they seemed to be more worried about the RAM or something to the sides, than the CPU which was getting very HOT?

    • You’re truly amazing to create and upload this video for the community. It’s all about the MacGyver approach to life!

    • @arunashamal sl3 with 4k..... but nahhhh no dual pixel, we want you to buy a 90D

    • @Axel Marshall Productions no, he's just a boomer with a very closed mindset.

  • I loved the 3d printed fan design :) if I had a camera like that you'd be a godsend! tho i' wouldn't have the equipment or the bravery for the copper parts

  • They could have routed the heat to the light mount making it easier to disperse or expand the cooling capability.

  • I'm curious whether you could make a bottom mounted fan that also doubles as a battery grip.

  • I don't own a camera, nor I am into photography, but the content of this channel is SO interesting! And the way you achieve things, is just amazing.

  • Me: dont have a camera DIY perks: want to see me adding liquid cooling to this 8k camera? Me: Yes.

    • @Steve No one said that, ibis still doesn't matches sony and plus 16 bit raw sony has.

    • @Lillie im writing this in my smart fridge 😎

    • @Surya This is what I've been trying to say to people who know nothing about this product lol. If all you care about is video, leave this Photography camera alone and try to find a camera that can do 8k raw with IBIS and dpaf for less!

    • True....so true

    • Having popcorn and liking your comment as same here mate XD

  • Once my warranty expires I will probably do this. Thank you very much for this solution. It is not tomorrow that any other camera will be able to do 8K RAW internally at this price point. And if they do overheating will still be a problem. Just look at what the A1 can do. Yes it overheats way less but its has way less capabilities. Its 8K modes have been crippled so it can record 8K with acceptable overheating limits. I think Canon strike a good balance. It will not canibalize their cinema camera sales and those who absolutely want to use the R5 can modify it. Here we see that the R5 can be modify to record 8k indefinitely. The A1 doesn't have a flippy screen and it is even smaller so good luck to make a solution like this. I might be wrong but I don't think the A1 will be able to be improved and will never be able to record 8K indefinitely.

  • Great video. I have a somewhat unrelated question for you. When you had the camera to bit did you happen to notice where the bluetooth/wifi antenna was located? I have the need to hardware disable the bluetooth and wifi in a Canon R5. At somepoint I will buy one and open it up to see if I can find and disable the antenna. But I wondered if you have any thoughts on that?

  • You could make a thermal sensor which would increase the fan speed as the temperature rises

  • perfect work, thank you. roasting big companies poor technology solutions caused by marketing is priceless.